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Consignment, Sales Tax and other 'newbie' challenges

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Okay group.. as a relative newbie to the business world I would like to throw these questions out to you 'business-savvy' folks for your input.

1) Consignments: This seems to be the method of choice to some of the small businesses we've approached to carry our candles. Here's the questions:
a) What range of percentages should the retailer normally get?
b) Is a monthly fee to the retailer common?
c) Do you make out a contractual agreement with the retailer, and if you do, would you be willing to share the format of your agreement with me/us?
d) {This ties in to my second question as well.} Who collects or is responsible for the sales tax on consigned items, and if my normal price to the public includes sales tax, what affect does that have on my consignment issue (yeah.. I know..., that's 2 questions in one but it's hard to seperate them).

2) Sales tax:
Would someone like to address the pros and cons of including sales tax in the price? Most of our sales have been at Farmer's Market and it just makes it easier to deal with change to include tax and put all prices on $.25 breaks; i.e.; $5.75, $6.25, so on and so on.

We're located on the Iowa/Illinois border but I'll reserve the bi-state issue for another time.

My motto: The only stupid question is the one that isn't asked.

Thanks for all input and feedback.

Jerry Painter
Cedar Creek Crafts

Thanks for the info.. it helps.

At least I now have a better idea of what's 'normal'. Thanks again. And Carol, sorry to hear that you have to slow down some.. again.. I hope it doesn't affect your pouring hand. If you can find that contract you use for consignment I'd really love to see a copy. You can either email it to me at the address below or email me and I'll send you my 'snail-mail' address. I'll check with Jim.. maybe we can set up an area here on the guild for 'sample' agreements and forms for other 'newbies' like myself to use. Of course, we wouldn't do that without your permission and converting it to a 'generic' version probably.

Again... thank you to those who responded. I really appreciate your help.

Jerry Painter
jpainter@qconline.com
Cedar Creek Crafts

RE: Consignment

Jerry,

I am a store owner and I have many consignment accounts. I charge 25% commission on all accounts. I have been told that there are some businesses that charge 35-40%. That's ridiculous to me and an insult to the crafter. Consignment has it's pros and cons. I don't like being responsible for someone else's product, but do like the fact the the products help fill shelving space. I send a contract to every interested party. The contract tells when to expect payment, my responsibility to them and visa-versa. I want to protect myself as well as the crafter. One suggestion I have for you is to tell your retail source your bottom line percentage off of a store wide sale. Most of my consignee's will go no more that 10% off if I decide to do a store wide sale. I'm hoping to do strictly wholesale accounts soon, but for now consignmnet has been a very good thing for my business.
Gwen

Consignment

Hello Jerry,
I don't know if this helps or not, but I only do consignment if (like Brian) they have a very good inventory system. Otherwise, I take my candles and move on down the road. I have one consignment order. I echo the 25%! Anything above that is nuts! I have their tax number and they pay the taxes on the product. Then at the end of the year it can be documented and reconciled. I made up a contract to cover the bases. Say if they cannot account for all the candles that I dropped off, then they pay for it. As soon as I get a few minutes, I will look up the contract and get it to you, if you want. It might take a day or so. I am really busy. But I try to get to this site at least twice a day.

Sincerely,

Carol & Dan
The Fort Village Chandler's
beth's soy candle co. LLC
bethssoy@ticon.net
Fort Atkinson, WI
920.568.9770

I'd like a copy as well

Hi there,

If you would be willing to share a copy of that with us as well, I'd sure appreciate it! jesssara@kdsi.net
Thanks!
Sarah

Jerry don't know if I'm much help.

I do consign a couple of places both get 25% and handle the taxes. I have their tax #'s and it's like I wholesale them there. I like wholesaling better though. Because in my line of store that I have, (furniture) when I buy something it's mine to sell, and I'm more apt to sell something I've paid for Vs. something I'm selling for someone else. Plus when it's done that way you don't have to chase your money. I guess there are pros and cons to both ways, it just depends what you want to do. sorry I'm no help.

Jen

Consignment, Sales Tax and other 'newbie' challenges

I have done consignment sales in the past and still do to a very limited extent. I have found that these businesses usually want 20 to 30% commissions. I think anything over 25% is outlandish given that they take no risk.
The major downside to consignment is that it is a nightmare to keep track of. I have to be on top of my inventory at these businesses on a frequent and regular basis. Some type of inventory tracking is absolutely necessary even if it is as simple as a program devised from Microsoft Excel. But it is time consuming. I now deal with only 2 consigment businesses, one being a very sophisticated state run outlet in the state capital mall. The other is a craft mall in my hometown that uses a very effective inventory system. With each of these it is quite easy to compare my records with their records and reconciliation is a breeze.
My experience with those who do not use some type of efficient inventory system, is that things get "lost" and I do not get paid.
Bottom line is I hold out for direct wholesaling agreements rather than consignment agreements.
I hope this was helpful in some way.
Brian
The Candlelier

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